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		<title>by: CrediThinker</title>
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					<description>	Yes,I do agree that the Global Warming belongs to the processes of nature and in reality there is nothing vitally significant we can do to prevent it. The governments know the truth but are using the fact for their own profits. The Government will never spill the beans&amp;#8230;

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		<title>by: The Gray Monk</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 06:10:56 -0700</pubDate>
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					<description>	A very interesting discussion, but everyone avoids the main issues here. The Climate Change is part of a natural cycle, not something triggered by humans, although, particularly in the developing nations, overpopulation and stripping out of forests probably isn&amp;#8217;t helping. Carbon footprints and carbon trade offs are largely esoteric constructs with little, if any, foundation in real science since there are far to many variables and unknowns for it to be analysed fully. One of your commentators is correct in saying that the current media hype and political posturing on this issue is about political control of human activity and a desire to restrict and direct how and waht people know and think on a wide range of issues, not just climate change.
	Yes, there are alternative energy sources, such as building an environmentally damaging dam across the Severn Estuary in the UK - advocated by the Welsh Assembly who would reap the benefit but not have to deal with the damage - or by covering the entire UK with wind turbines (only actually generating about a third of the time) so that we don&amp;#8217;t have to build any more coal, gas or nuclear power stations. Unfortunately, we don&amp;#8217;t get enough sun for Photo Voltaics to work efficiently but we could look into solar boilers to generate steam - except that, again, we have a problem with sunshine and cloud cover. Already the placing of huge &amp;#8220;Wind Farms&amp;#8221; offshore around these islands is causing a problem for shipping - and we won&amp;#8217;t even consider the hazard for aircraft and wild life.
	Yes, to agree with the sentiment expressed by your commentor from Nigeria, Africa does have a problem, particularly when it comes to affording the new technology. But I would not put it down to a lack of aid or funds from the developed nations, but to the downright thievery of their politicians and bureaucrats whose trips to Europe for shopping are all funded by the funds creamed off the Aid packages and whose Swiss Bank accounts are similarly loaded. 
	Is there a solution? There probably is, but it will not be politically expedient to find it because the current situation suits the politicians who want more control over our lives - and more of our earnings flowing into their banks.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A very interesting discussion, but everyone avoids the main issues here. The Climate Change is part of a natural cycle, not something triggered by humans, although, particularly in the developing nations, overpopulation and stripping out of forests probably isn&#8217;t helping. Carbon footprints and carbon trade offs are largely esoteric constructs with little, if any, foundation in real science since there are far to many variables and unknowns for it to be analysed fully. One of your commentators is correct in saying that the current media hype and political posturing on this issue is about political control of human activity and a desire to restrict and direct how and waht people know and think on a wide range of issues, not just climate change.</p>
	<p>Yes, there are alternative energy sources, such as building an environmentally damaging dam across the Severn Estuary in the UK - advocated by the Welsh Assembly who would reap the benefit but not have to deal with the damage - or by covering the entire UK with wind turbines (only actually generating about a third of the time) so that we don&#8217;t have to build any more coal, gas or nuclear power stations. Unfortunately, we don&#8217;t get enough sun for Photo Voltaics to work efficiently but we could look into solar boilers to generate steam - except that, again, we have a problem with sunshine and cloud cover. Already the placing of huge &#8220;Wind Farms&#8221; offshore around these islands is causing a problem for shipping - and we won&#8217;t even consider the hazard for aircraft and wild life.</p>
	<p>Yes, to agree with the sentiment expressed by your commentor from Nigeria, Africa does have a problem, particularly when it comes to affording the new technology. But I would not put it down to a lack of aid or funds from the developed nations, but to the downright thievery of their politicians and bureaucrats whose trips to Europe for shopping are all funded by the funds creamed off the Aid packages and whose Swiss Bank accounts are similarly loaded. </p>
	<p>Is there a solution? There probably is, but it will not be politically expedient to find it because the current situation suits the politicians who want more control over our lives - and more of our earnings flowing into their banks.
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		<title>by: heyhey</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:56:34 -0700</pubDate>
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					<description>	i have this new kool blog,,,please everyone visit it&amp;#8230;www.slickblog.wordpress.com
please please please comment on any articles   im trying to get it up and running

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		<title>by: Monica</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:46:11 -0700</pubDate>
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					<description>	Some comments specifically on the part of the show that addressed climate charge and the Third World: This portrayed an extreme environmentalist view point on climate change and inaccurately applied it to developing nations. It poorly addressed how the reducing the impact of climate change practically pertains to developing countries and completely ignored the effects - current and potential - of climate change on people there&amp;#8230; Or maybe they were just being tongue-in-cheek; I never really understood British humour, smiley faces are as sophisticated as I get  
	But anyways, as someone working in renewable energy in Nigeria, I found many of the assertions and arguments to ring particularly false to the reality on the ground. These four points in particular: 
	 - &amp;#8220;The polices being pushed to prevent global warming are having a disastrous effect on the world poorest people.&amp;#8221;  The only part of the Kyoto Protocol&amp;#8217;s climate change policy that directly affects developing countries is the opportunity for  partial sponsorship of clean energy projects in developing nations  through carbon trading schemes such as the Clean Development Mechanism. CDM has been estimated to free up around $10 billion for clean energy projects in developing nations. The issue with CDM is that Africa is currently getting a meager share as governments like China and India&amp;#8217;s were more able to organize to access this funding. I don&amp;#8217;t think that&amp;#8217;s quite the &amp;#8220;disastrous effect&amp;#8221; Paul Driessen alleges. Since there are no proposed policies that I&amp;#8217;m aware of requiring Africans to limit their CO2 emissions, I&amp;#8217;m not quite clear what policy he&amp;#8217;s referring to&amp;#8230; 
	 - The implication that all renewable energy, particularly solar, is too expensive and inadequate.   (via one improperly sized photovoltaic system!) The claim that renewable energy is three times more expensive than conventional grossly oversimplifies energy costs in Africa - where cost per unit energy can be many times that of North America. For instance, the convention in Nigeria is that anyone who can afford it buys a generator as a backup power source since the grid is only up about a third of the time. The office I&amp;#8217;m working estimates they spent the equivalent of 10 bucks a day on fuel alone or about $50/week. Since we installed a $6000 solar system 2 months ago, we&amp;#8217;ve only had to use the gen once (when the grid was off for a week straight). So our PV system will pay for itself in a little more than two years while most of the components (excluding the batteries) are supposed to last for 15-20 years. However, the majority of people don&amp;#8217;t have that much cash to put up at the onset and interest rates are 18-30% here&amp;#8230; assuming one could get a (very scarce) loan approved for something as uncommon as a PV system. So solar is too expensive much the same way buying a house is too expensive compare to renting - it actually can be cheaper in the long term but only if people can access loans. Granted, there are quite a few other issues with solar, but it&amp;#8217;s deceptive to claim nobody in Africa can afford it. 
	  - Africa is being told by climate change activists &amp;#8220;Don&amp;#8217;t touch your resources&amp;#8221;   Well yes, they&amp;#8217;re right that Africa has oil. But no one, not even environmentalists, would or could argue that Africa shouldn&amp;#8217;t benefit from it. Let&amp;#8217;s just be practical about who is currently benefiting from those resources. In Nigeria, only one thousandth of the oil produced here is used by Nigerians. And the profits from the exports mainly go to the international oil companies and very rich politicians. The current climate change movement is not playing an even incremental role in keeping Africans from benefiting from their resources, especially compare to the (incredibly complex) economic and political systems that have evolved over the past two centuries. Please, let&amp;#8217;s be realistic - if this is seriously a concern then climate change is the wrong scapegoat. 
	 - Energy infrastructure in developing nations is being   [though I&amp;#8217;m assuming they meant &amp;#8217;should be&amp;#8217; ]  restricted to wind and solar as part of the global warming campaign.  No one is actually advocating this. There are certainly people encouraging alternative energies to be included in a diverse energy mix and for very good reasons: Africa is still expanding its energy infrastructure which making both grid connected and decentralized alternative energy option cost-competitive in some situations. However, since these technologies aren&amp;#8217;t as well-established they may not otherwise be considered. Diversification of non-fossil fuel energy also makes nations less vulnerable to fossil fuels&amp;#8217; unpredictable costs. Most developed nations planned their infrastructure in an era when fossil fuels were assumed to be endless and benign. Now they have a host of issues because of it. Shouldn&amp;#8217;t developing countries learn from this and use it as an opportunity to develop better than the West? Due to the vastly different situations pertaining to North American and African electricity development the &amp;#8216;We&amp;#8217;re slow at adopting alternative energies and it&amp;#8217;s even more difficult for them to&amp;#8217; line doesn&amp;#8217;t necessarily hold. But that&amp;#8217;s not to say that renewables, especially solar, don&amp;#8217;t have some major challenges in order to be effectively utilized. (Detailed post on that here: http://my.ewb.ca/home/ShowPost/14177 ) Some of those challenges do require large scale action, but not one simple solution (that would make the topic too easy and uninteresting 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Some comments specifically on the part of the show that addressed climate charge and the Third World: This portrayed an extreme environmentalist view point on climate change and inaccurately applied it to developing nations. It poorly addressed how the reducing the impact of climate change practically pertains to developing countries and completely ignored the effects - current and potential - of climate change on people there&#8230; Or maybe they were just being tongue-in-cheek; I never really understood British humour, smiley faces are as sophisticated as I get <img src='http://site-essential.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' /> </p>
	<p>But anyways, as someone working in renewable energy in Nigeria, I found many of the assertions and arguments to ring particularly false to the reality on the ground. These four points in particular: </p>
	<p><strong> - &#8220;The polices being pushed to prevent global warming are having a disastrous effect on the world poorest people.&#8221; </strong> The only part of the Kyoto Protocol&#8217;s climate change policy that directly affects developing countries is the opportunity for <em> partial sponsorship of clean energy projects in developing nations </em> through carbon trading schemes such as the Clean Development Mechanism. CDM has been estimated to free up around $10 billion for clean energy projects in developing nations. The issue with CDM is that Africa is currently getting a meager share as governments like China and India&#8217;s were more able to organize to access this funding. I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s quite the &#8220;disastrous effect&#8221; Paul Driessen alleges. Since there are no proposed policies that I&#8217;m aware of requiring Africans to limit their CO2 emissions, I&#8217;m not quite clear what policy he&#8217;s referring to&#8230; </p>
	<p><strong> - The implication that all renewable energy, particularly solar, is too expensive and inadequate. </strong>  (via one improperly sized photovoltaic system!) The claim that renewable energy is three times more expensive than conventional grossly oversimplifies energy costs in Africa - where cost per unit energy can be many times that of North America. For instance, the convention in Nigeria is that anyone who can afford it buys a generator as a backup power source since the grid is only up about a third of the time. The office I&#8217;m working estimates they spent the equivalent of 10 bucks a day on fuel alone or about $50/week. Since we installed a $6000 solar system 2 months ago, we&#8217;ve only had to use the gen once (when the grid was off for a week straight). So our PV system will pay for itself in a little more than two years while most of the components (excluding the batteries) are supposed to last for 15-20 years. However, the majority of people don&#8217;t have that much cash to put up at the onset and interest rates are 18-30% here&#8230; assuming one could get a (very scarce) loan approved for something as uncommon as a PV system. So solar is too expensive much the same way buying a house is too expensive compare to renting - it actually can be cheaper in the long term but only if people can access loans. Granted, there are quite a few other issues with solar, but it&#8217;s deceptive to claim nobody in Africa can afford it. </p>
	<p><strong>  - Africa is being told by climate change activists &#8220;Don&#8217;t touch your resources&#8221; </strong>  Well yes, they&#8217;re right that Africa has oil. But no one, not even environmentalists, would or could argue that Africa shouldn&#8217;t benefit from it. Let&#8217;s just be practical about who is currently benefiting from those resources. In Nigeria, only one thousandth of the oil produced here is used by Nigerians. And the profits from the exports mainly go to the international oil companies and very rich politicians. The current climate change movement is not playing an even incremental role in keeping Africans from benefiting from their resources, especially compare to the (incredibly complex) economic and political systems that have evolved over the past two centuries. Please, let&#8217;s be realistic - if this is seriously a concern then climate change is the wrong scapegoat. </p>
	<p><strong> - Energy infrastructure in developing nations is being <em>  [though I&#8217;m assuming they meant &#8217;should be&#8217; ] </em> restricted to wind and solar as part of the global warming campaign. </strong> No one is actually advocating this. There are certainly people encouraging alternative energies to be included in a diverse energy mix and for very good reasons: Africa is still expanding its energy infrastructure which making both grid connected and decentralized alternative energy option cost-competitive <em>in some situations.</em> However, since these technologies aren&#8217;t as well-established they may not otherwise be considered. Diversification of non-fossil fuel energy also makes nations less vulnerable to fossil fuels&#8217; unpredictable costs. Most developed nations planned their infrastructure in an era when fossil fuels were assumed to be endless and benign. Now they have a host of issues because of it. Shouldn&#8217;t developing countries learn from this and use it as an opportunity to develop <em>better</em> than the West? Due to the vastly different situations pertaining to North American and African electricity development the &#8216;We&#8217;re slow at adopting alternative energies and it&#8217;s even more difficult for them to&#8217; line doesn&#8217;t necessarily hold. But that&#8217;s not to say that renewables, especially solar, don&#8217;t have some major challenges in order to be effectively utilized. (Detailed post on that here: <a href="http://my.ewb.ca/home/ShowPost/14177"><acronym title="HyperText Transfer Protocol">http</acronym>://my.ewb.ca/home/ShowPost/14177</a> ) Some of those challenges do require large scale action, but not one simple solution (that would make the topic too easy and uninteresting <img src='http://site-essential.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' />
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